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请看世界顶尖FIFA高手是如何评价FIFA WC的

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发表于 2010-5-15 22:51 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
可能很多中国玩家都会认为Hjerpseth是FIFA世界的高手,的确他的过人集锦和视频做得很迷人,但据说他的网战成绩并不是很牛比。如果是这样的话,那他只能是表演大师。实际上FIFA世界里的高手有很多是我们不熟悉的。来自美国的UDLawman就是这样一位玩家,他的战绩是114 Game Win Streak 114场连胜,这是一个令人咋舌的数据,排名积分榜第一的牛人。

对于FIFA WC 他也谈了一些自己的看法,我简单翻译了一下,本人英语水平有限,翻译不到位的地方还请高人指正,但大意应该是明了的了。
Gentlemen,
This game is somewhat dissapointing. The gameplay is very unresponsive, and it takes such a long time to find a ranked head to head
match. Then, when people finally meet up in the match screen, everyone wants to play as a 5 star team all the time. It's quite
ridiculous.
绅士们,
这个游戏在某些方面是令人失望的。它的可玩性让人提不起兴致。花了这么长时间打造了这个head to head match.然后当玩家终于在游戏屏幕
上对战的时候,每一个人却都想自始至终用五星球队。这是相当荒唐的一件事情。

I'm sorry Adroit, but you seem to be missing the point. There are manual control filters and "custom" control filters in both Fifa
10, AND World Cup 2010. They go UNUSED, because the majority of people playing Fifa 10 and World Cup 2010 do not use manual
controls. The defaults are assisted, so everyone plays assisted. This renders the custom search filters virtually worthless. Thus,
in order to not waste about 30 minutes of time trying to find one manual match, and actually play a game, I just have to play
crappy football against players who have NO skill and do nothing but press A, A, A, A, (do a move or two) B to shoot and hope that
my keeper saves the ball.

Adroit(游戏的制作负责人),我对此非常遗憾。你们似乎忽视了非常重要的一点。那就是FIFA10和FIFA WC中都有的手动控制筛选和自定义控制筛选
,他们变得不能发挥作用。因为大多数玩家并不使用这个设置了。默认是assisted,因此每一个人采用这种方式来玩。这导致自定义搜索实际上没有
价值了。因此,为了不用浪费30分钟时间去找到一个手动设置的比赛。我只能踢蹩脚糟糕的足球和那些玩家踢没有技术含量的足球。他们只会不停地
按AAAA键。在一或两个移动后射门,之后被我的门将防住。

I KNOW what people are going to do with the ball, it's quite obvious, after playing so many hours of Fifa, YET, I cannot stop the
ping pongers because it's such quick succession.
我踢了很久fifa以后,很明显,我清楚大家想要怎么处理球。然而我却不能阻挡那些用ping pang 踢法的人。因为那很容易取得成功。

The point is the game is not meant to be played like this. If Manual settings (Hell, not even manual controls for the entire game,
JUST PASSING) were the default, people wouldn't get to do this, and the game would be so much more fun and realistic.
我认为FIFA游戏并不意味着这样去踢足球。如果手动传球设置是默认的,那么人们就不会趋之若鹜地使用pingpang踢法,这个游戏将会变得更加有趣
和真实。

Think about this for a moment. I work some strong build up play from my 1/3 of the pitch. Hold onto the ball and possession for a
couple of minutes by passing it through my midfield, and up to the forwards. Then, I maybe get a shot off, or I try to get in the
box for a shot. It doesn't go in, or there's a rebound to a defender.
仔细回想一下,在我成为强者的三分之一比赛中,控制球一段时间,然后传给中场,再给前锋,然后我可能会射门,或者我会尝试在禁区内射门。没
有进,或者被防守队员拿到。

Then, it's OFF TO THE RACES, with them pressing A A A A A A the entire way up the pitch.
那么,一进入比赛,就是任由他们不断地按AAAAAA这样的方式。

NOW, let me stop you right here. It's OK that this happens occassionally, because this is called a counter-attack. BUT, this
happens 100% of the time. This isn't real football, and this isn't how it's supposed to work. IF, the controls were manual, and
players tried to press A A A A real quickly, they would turn the ball over in prime scoring locations, and then the fruits of my
abilities and skill of getting the ball up field would be for something. Rather, all my skill and time working the ball up field,
are null and void because the opponent "clears" the ball by ping ponging.It's utterly ridiculous and a joke now.

现在,让我来阻止你。可能这只是偶然发生的事情,因为这被叫做反击。但是在实际中这应该有很大的几率发生。因此现在的游戏并不是真正的足球,真正的足球不是这么踢得。如果是手动控制的话,那么玩家再不断非常快速地按AAAAAA,他们将在主要射门的地方失误。那么我的能力和技术会发挥作用。如果不是这样的话,我的所有技术都是徒劳的,因为对手可能通过pingpang的方式清楚地传递。那是完全不合理的,非常可笑的。

The crux of most games nowadays, is online gameplay. When online multiplayer first came out, people were much more willing to
accept rubbish types of gameplay, and exploits, because multiplayer was so new, and people just thought it was "cool" to
play online against other players around the country and the world.

今天大多数游戏最吸引人的地方,就是在线的可玩性。当多人在线第一次出现的时候,人们更愿意去接受垃圾类型的玩法和利用游戏漏洞。因为多人
对战是如此新鲜,人们认为在线和整个国家甚至整个世界的人对战是一件非常COOL的事情。
The cool factor has now subsided. Gamers expect more from multiplayer, and if the Fifa series is to last and advance themselves,
they need to evolve with the times.
现在这些很COOL的因素已经不再新鲜,游戏玩家希望能从多人对战中得到更多乐趣。同时如果FIFA系列要获得持续发展,并且保持优势的话。他们需
要与时俱进。
Fifa portrays the game of Football, a game of skill... not necessarily luck. (Though there is some luck occassionally, but luck
COMES in the form of the opposition making mistakes).
FIFA描绘了一种足球游戏,一种游戏技巧。幸运并不是必然,尽管有时候会偶然有幸运的事情发生,但是幸运总是以犯错误的对立面出现。
The current Fifa series format, allows players to ruin the game online, make it nothing more then button mashing, high pressure,
abuse, that ruins the flow of the game. It's so predicatable what's going to happen... YET, skilled players don't even have the
ability to stop the exploits.
现在FIFA系列的模式,允许玩家破坏在线游戏。使它变成了疯狂地按键,压迫逼抢,这完全破坏了游戏的连贯和流畅。任由其发展,后果不堪设想。
甚至,讲究技术的玩家已经无法阻止这种利用游戏漏洞的方式。
In the future, Fifa 11, 12, etc... need to change their mentality and change the gameplay aspects to make the game more about
skill. Take the time to have users actually learn proper controls, and not rely on button mashing. Eliminate custom formations (not
the tactics and mentality), and penalize players that want to use high pressure all the time. (Increase their fatigue, so by the
45th minute, they are exhausted). Open up the Pitch a little more, and now make it so crowded with everyone flocking the ball
because of high pressure/aggression, etc...Lastly, the responsiveness of the players needs to be adjusted.
在未来,FIFA11,12等等,需要去改变游戏的智能和游戏的可玩性,使这个游戏更加技术化。让玩家们抽些时间去真正地学习合理的操控,而不依赖于
疯狂按键。取消个性化阵型,并且处罚那些一直使用高压踢法的玩家。(增加疲劳积累,那么只要半场他们就会精疲力尽)让场地再大一些,现在看
起来还是太拥挤,由于高压踢法,人们成群地追逐皮球。最终,有体会的玩家会据此进行调整和改变。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-15 22:54 | 只看该作者
我个人认为,他说的有一定道理,但是EA不一定会完全采纳,因为商人最需要的是销售量,如果这么真实的话,恐怕对操控性要求也会更高,毕竟大多数玩家是不具备这种能力的,他们只是娱乐。

另外,FIFA WC已经是目前最好的了,他也算是比较苛刻的建议了。
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发表于 2010-5-15 23:04 | 只看该作者
只玩过fifa97  因为杨晨
还有就是2002世界杯特别版
感觉就是画面和动作不错
游戏性和操作性不如实况
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发表于 2010-5-15 23:40 | 只看该作者
分析的很不错,网站的乒乓打法很无聊,
不过全手动的话如果有延迟,非常悲剧
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发表于 2010-5-15 23:43 | 只看该作者
同上~FIFA97玩过~后来就是一直迷恋实况了~~
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发表于 2010-5-15 23:48 | 只看该作者
3楼 5楼  都活在10年前马
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发表于 2010-5-16 00:17 | 只看该作者
FIFA如果用自动传球和射门的话,会少很多很多乐趣的
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发表于 2010-5-16 00:42 | 只看该作者
希望EA能够在网战时有星级限制,像在线世界杯我用阿曼遇到一堆英格兰的...
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发表于 2010-5-16 00:59 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2010-5-16 04:31 | 只看该作者
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-16 08:12 | 只看该作者
FIFA如果用自动传球和射门的话,会少很多很多乐趣的
拖鞋 发表于 2010-5-16 00:17



    其实他也只是建议传球手动,加强体能消耗,如果全部手动估计他也吃不消。
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发表于 2010-5-16 09:13 | 只看该作者
从比较专业选手看来简单的玩法不喜欢,不过商家的确要放低难度追求销量,和实况一样类似于乒乓球的节奏的确是偏重娱乐性了,不过我认为FIFA11会改进,不会这么快,而且会在真实和娱乐之间找到更好的平衡,比如FIFA10,至于世界杯版本,娱乐应该是至上的,无可厚非!
3楼和5楼的玩家,可以玩了FIFA现在的游戏再来表态么,或者告诉我实况的游戏性在哪?操控性在哪?
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-16 09:17 | 只看该作者
我是第一次入手FIFA 游戏,真的感觉很不错。不过,据说实况也要改进加入很多操控内容,先观望吧,反正可以在PC上玩,至于入不入手PS3版本的那就看K社的进步如何了?但FIFA11是一定要买的。
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发表于 2010-5-16 09:37 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 zxt1222 于 2010-5-16 09:41 编辑

手动的那个尴尬比较同意
其实干嘛不能允许assisted和manual短传同时共存呢,一个辅助键解决问题

至于高压踢法这个。。。他应该好好挑时间研究一下战术条。。。就不愿意多长传一下么?:bz36:
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发表于 2010-5-16 09:50 | 只看该作者
也就是个国外的怨妇,技术应该在整体战术中融合而不是显摆,当自己不能赢球时开始讨论程序了,当你个人技术可以一条龙时就真实了,全手动有必要全民吗,有些话反过来不是一样在抽自己耳光,别当外国人放屁是香的
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